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Comment	So now we're shifting the goalposts. This ENTIRE thread is about sexual harassment and sexual assault in the context of women going about their lives. Rape is, statistically, committed by a person known to the victim - a partner, a friend, a co-worker, a family member - not a random person on the street. > In terms of figures to prove what I'm saying. There Re publicly available datasets from the government regarding crime which can be sliced and diced by ethnicity age etc. So cite them. To quote rape crisis back at you: > Sexual crimes decreased by 1% from 13,547 to 13,364. This is the first year since 2008-09 that sexual crimes haven’t increased, though these crimes remain at the second highest level seen since 1971, the first year for which comparable groups are available. Now, let's put our thinking hats on here. Sexual crime statistics are made up of reported crimes. It is well known that many sexual crimes go unreported. I have actually never reported a single one of the myriad of things that have happened to me that would actually constitute a sexual crime. The closest I ever came to that was running to get the BTP in Central when a guy flashed me and tried to get up against me. I bolted, got BTP, they went downstairs to find the guy. I waited for 10 mins, they never came back, I went home because I was about to miss my train. I have no idea if that was ever actually recorded anywhere to end up in a statistic. I know this to be the case for every woman I've spoken to about this kind of thing. We don't report the vast majority of things that happen to us. Those of us who do have often had negative experiences with the police about it. Just the other a day, someone I have on Facebook posted a memory about how she got assaulted by a guy, she finally contacted police the next day after being encouraged by friends, and the police accosted her for not phoning them straight afterwards and all she ever heard about it was a number for Victims Support a few months later. It isn't exactly encouraging to report anything else that might happen to you if that's all that happens. However, in recent years, there's been movements like #metoo that have encouraged us to speak out about it when it happens and that has had some impact on women's willingness to go to police. This will, naturally, mean that reported sexual crimes could increase purely from this. Has the increase been attributable to this? Unsure. Oh look, this is handy, RapeCrisis even have statistics for whether victims reported what was done to them to police. So, this is only half of the people that they were able to find out if they had or hadn't reported it. > Where this was known, only just over half of survivors (50.35%) seeking support from rape crisis centres in 2019-20 in Scotland had reported to the police. [Source: Rape Crisis Scotland Annual Report for 2019-20 - publication imminent] > Sexual abuse occurs more often in the survivor’s home than in any other location (just over 37%) [Source: Rape Crisis Scotland Annual Report for 2019-20] Now, this is for England and Wales, but I can't imagine the situation is vastly different here: https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/about-sexual-violence/statistics-sexual-violence/ > Only around 15% of those who experience sexual violence report to the police > Approximately 90% of those who are raped know the perpetrator prior to the offence So what we have here is: chronic under-reporting of crimes, which means it can be difficult to parse out whether increases in reported crimes are due to a increased willingness to report in the first place or due to an actual increase in the occurence of the crime. And however smart you think you are, you don't know this and I would argue that we can't really know which it is with any certainty. We can't use contacting RapeCrisis or a similar organisation as a benchmark either, because the same movements that encourage us to report what happened also encourage us to seek help for it too. I think trying to point at Asian guys and say they're doing all the rapes is a fucking dog whistle, frankly. Because virtually all of my experience of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and, unfortunately for me, rape has involved a white guy. I haven't exactly been out and about as normal given COVID, but every single instance of outright sexual harassment I've experienced in the past 2-3 years has been a white guy. This shouldn't be a shock since Scotland is like 95% white or something. Why are you so fucking pressed by a woman saying that this problem has always existed and has never been attributable to one racial group? You can go "ah but culture!" but you can fuck off with that. What's the reasoning for all the various white guys who've groped me, rubbed up against me with an erection in a nightclub, tried to put their hand up my skirt on a train, followed me home while telling me all the explicit things he'd like to do to me? Why are we not questioning whether the culture of white Scottish guys is causing them to be fucking predators? I'd really prefer we don't focus in on one demographic because, frankly, it feels like you're at risk of ignoring the majority of predators in Scotland. > But honestly. Go to the sandy Ford ask the nurses there at reception they'll tell you outright they told me that's what they see on the frontline day in day out. The receptionists at Sandyford are not typically nurses. And the fuck are you doing going into Sandyford and asking the receptionists about the demographics of rapists? Do you have no consideration for who might be around you when you're asking those questions? People visit Sandyford for crisis care and you're trying to chat rape demographics potentially in earshot of a rape victim. Classy. I don't understand for the life of me what would possess you to do that. I've never in my 10+ years of attending Sandyford to get various forms of care spoken to the receptionist about anything in detail. They don't ask very many questions at all - last time I was there, they got me to fill out a form that they didn't acknowledge the contents of except if I missed something. So I feel like you might be at it if you think you've had a chat with Sandyford receptionists about who has been raping the people who go there for care in a crisis. My experience of them is that they're incredibly discrete and would absolutely not be chatting to some random cunt that's wandered in and been like "sooooo who's raping the people who come to visit Sandyford for crisis care?". And if they are, congrats, you've just undermined my trust in Sandyford as an entity. So I really hope you're lying there.
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So now we're shifting the goalposts. This ENTIRE thread is about sexual harassment and sexual assault in the context of women going about their lives. Rape is, statistically, committed by a person known to the victim - a partner, a friend, a co-worker, a family member - not a random person on the street.

> In terms of figures to prove what I'm saying. There Re publicly available datasets from the government regarding crime which can be sliced and diced by ethnicity age etc.

So cite them.

To quote rape crisis back at you:

> Sexual crimes decreased by 1% from 13,547 to 13,364. This is the first year since 2008-09 that sexual crimes haven’t increased, though these crimes remain at the second highest level seen since 1971, the first year for which comparable groups are available.

Now, let's put our thinking hats on here. Sexual crime statistics are made up of *reported* crimes. It is well known that many sexual crimes go unreported. I have actually never reported a single one of the myriad of things that have happened to me that would actually constitute a sexual crime. The closest I ever came to that was running to get the BTP in Central when a guy flashed me and tried to get up against me. I bolted, got BTP, they went downstairs to find the guy. I waited for 10 mins, they never came back, I went home because I was about to miss my train. I have no idea if that was ever actually recorded anywhere to end up in a statistic. I know this to be the case for every woman I've spoken to about this kind of thing. We don't report the vast majority of things that happen to us. Those of us who do have often had negative experiences with the police about it. Just the other a day, someone I have on Facebook posted a memory about how she got assaulted by a guy, she finally contacted police the next day after being encouraged by friends, and the police accosted her for not phoning them straight afterwards and all she ever heard about it was a number for Victims Support a few months later. It isn't exactly encouraging to report anything else that might happen to you if that's all that happens. However, in recent years, there's been movements like #metoo that have encouraged us to speak out about it when it happens and that has had some impact on women's willingness to go to police. This will, naturally, mean that *reported* sexual crimes could increase purely from this. Has the increase been attributable to this? Unsure.

Oh look, this is handy, RapeCrisis even have statistics for whether victims reported what was done to them to police. So, this is only half of the people that they were able to find out if they had or hadn't reported it.

> Where this was known, only just over half of survivors (50.35%) seeking support from rape crisis centres in 2019-20 in Scotland had reported to the police. [Source: Rape Crisis Scotland Annual Report for 2019-20 - publication imminent]

> Sexual abuse occurs more often in the survivor’s home than in any other location (just over 37%) [Source: Rape Crisis Scotland Annual Report for 2019-20]

Now, this is for England and Wales, but I can't imagine the situation is vastly different here: https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/about-sexual-violence/statistics-sexual-violence/

> Only around 15% of those who experience sexual violence report to the police
> Approximately 90% of those who are raped know the perpetrator prior to the offence

So what we have here is: chronic under-reporting of crimes, which means it can be difficult to parse out whether increases in reported crimes are due to a increased willingness to report in the first place or due to an actual increase in the occurence of the crime. And however smart you think you are, you don't know this and I would argue that we can't really know which it is with any certainty. We can't use contacting RapeCrisis or a similar organisation as a benchmark either, because the same movements that encourage us to report what happened also encourage us to seek help for it too.

I think trying to point at Asian guys and say they're doing all the rapes is a fucking dog whistle, frankly. Because virtually all of my experience of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and, unfortunately for me, rape has involved a white guy. I haven't exactly been out and about as normal given COVID, but every single instance of outright sexual harassment I've experienced in the past 2-3 years has been a white guy. This shouldn't be a shock since Scotland is like 95% white or something. Why are you so fucking pressed by a woman saying that this problem has always existed and has never been attributable to one racial group? You can go "ah but culture!" but you can fuck off with that. What's the reasoning for all the various white guys who've groped me, rubbed up against me with an erection in a nightclub, tried to put their hand up my skirt on a train, followed me home while telling me all the explicit things he'd like to do to me? Why are we not questioning whether the culture of white Scottish guys is causing them to be fucking predators? I'd really prefer we don't focus in on one demographic because, frankly, it feels like you're at risk of ignoring the majority of predators in Scotland.

> But honestly. Go to the sandy Ford ask the nurses there at reception they'll tell you outright they told me that's what they see on the frontline day in day out.

The receptionists at Sandyford are not typically nurses. And the fuck are you doing going into Sandyford and asking the receptionists about the demographics of rapists? Do you have no consideration for who might be around you when you're asking those questions? People visit Sandyford for crisis care and you're trying to chat rape demographics potentially in earshot of a rape victim. Classy. I don't understand for the life of me what would possess you to do that. I've never in my 10+ years of attending Sandyford to get various forms of care spoken to the receptionist about anything in detail. They don't ask very many questions at all - last time I was there, they got me to fill out a form that they didn't acknowledge the contents of except if I missed something. So I feel like you might be at it if you think you've had a chat with Sandyford receptionists about who has been raping the people who go there for care in a crisis. My experience of them is that they're incredibly discrete and would absolutely not be chatting to some random cunt that's wandered in and been like "sooooo who's raping the people who come to visit Sandyford for crisis care?". And if they are, congrats, you've just undermined my trust in Sandyford as an entity. So I really hope you're lying there.