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Author	meepmeep13
Comment	I've not up or downvoted anyone here, and I'm not going to respond to you with hate, but merely provide some counterpoints to your reasons for supporting conservative > he Australian immigration system is one of the most effective in the world and they want to be introduce a similar points system. We already have a points-based immigration system based on the Australian model, it was introduced by the previous Labour government. The key difference is that it does not of course apply to EU nationals. However, one of the key differences between Scotland and rUK is that we have a specific demographic challenge which will be extremely challenged by any barriers to freedom of movement. We really, really, need immigrants and our economy will be significantly hurt if any restriction is imposed on their entry to the country. Lots of good economic analysis here: https://www.gov.scot/publications/uk-immigration-policy-leaving-eu-impacts-scotlands-economy-population-society/ > They’re going to increase funding to the police Ok, that one's easy because the proposed level of funding doesn't even make up for the cuts in police numbers and spending the Tories themselves imposed since 2010 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47225797 > NHS in clearly set out ways The Conservatives pledge for NHS spending is lower than any previous government since the 1950s https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-generous-have-the-conservatives-been-with-the-nhs I'm not even going to start on the number of leading conservatives who have written books or given speeches on the fundamental disbanding of the NHS, they are a major threat to its very existence The Tories are taking us to a No-Deal Brexit as policy, which from the government's own modelling will hit GDP by 7.6% https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/760484/28_November_EU_Exit_-_Long-term_economic_analysis__1_.pdf. The idea that Labour's spending plans are less ludicrous than being able to heavily invest in public services under a recession larger than the 2008 crash doesn't really work. > there’s no way the government can afford to buy all that back I assume you're a subscriber to the 'household finances' model of the national economy? A government can easily nationalise a profitable system without any real terms cost to the public purse. Most of our infrastructure (railways, energy companies, telecoms) are owned by the nationalised companies of other EU countries who have quite happily taken them into nationalised ownership on our behalf and charge us for the benefit.
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I've not up or downvoted anyone here, and I'm not going to respond to you with hate, but merely provide some counterpoints to your reasons for supporting conservative

> he Australian immigration system is one of the most effective in the world and they want to be introduce a similar points system.

We already have a points-based immigration system based on the Australian model, it was introduced by the previous Labour government. The key difference is that it does not of course apply to EU nationals. However, one of the key differences between Scotland and rUK is that we have a specific demographic challenge which will be extremely challenged by any barriers to freedom of movement. We really, really, need immigrants and our economy will be significantly hurt if any restriction is imposed on their entry to the country. Lots of good economic analysis here: https://www.gov.scot/publications/uk-immigration-policy-leaving-eu-impacts-scotlands-economy-population-society/

> They’re going to increase funding to the police

Ok, that one's easy because the proposed level of funding doesn't even make up for the cuts in police numbers and spending *the Tories themselves imposed* since 2010 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47225797

> NHS in clearly set out ways

The Conservatives pledge for NHS spending is lower than any previous government since the 1950s https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-generous-have-the-conservatives-been-with-the-nhs I'm not even going to start on the number of leading conservatives who have written books or given speeches on the fundamental disbanding of the NHS, they are a major threat to its very existence

The Tories are taking us to a No-Deal Brexit as policy, which from the government's own modelling will hit GDP by 7.6% https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/760484/28_November_EU_Exit_-_Long-term_economic_analysis__1_.pdf. The idea that Labour's spending plans are less ludicrous than being able to heavily invest in public services under a recession larger than the 2008 crash doesn't really work.

> there’s no way the government can afford to buy all that back

I assume you're a subscriber to the 'household finances' model of the national economy? A government can easily nationalise a profitable system without any real terms cost to the public purse. Most of our infrastructure (railways, energy companies, telecoms) are owned by the nationalised companies of other EU countries who have quite happily taken them into nationalised ownership on our behalf and charge us for the benefit.