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Author	EVE_ddred
Comment	> I don't think supporting someone's art is the same as supporting everything they do. I get what you're saying. GG Allin was a punk rock star who wanted to legalise rape and murder, but some people wanted to see the spectacle of it. However, whether you support those positions or not it's pretty difficult to decouple the financial and social support an artist obtains from an audience or any cult of personality / parasocial relationship that people in the public eye have. R Kelly was known for years to do obscene things behind closed doors, or his [creepy concert in Ethiopia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVthudlQagk) where he was known to be actively recruiting for his underage harem of girls. These allegations were exceptionally hard to prove, the thing that got R Kelly in the end was a technicality that turned the case against him into a RICO case like out of Better Call Saul where he was flying the girls across states and thus fell under racketeering giving damage multipliers to his conviction compared to the slap on the wrist he might have got if he had kept them in a single state. The legions of fans that actively support him today and supported him during the years leading up to it when this information was coming to light were participating. I'm going to go off on a wild tangent here, but one of the documentaries I watched a long time ago that really demonstrated the power of celebrities and cults of personality was 'The Mourning After' by Hitchens on the funeral of Princess Diana that showed how the UK, for a brief month of temporary insanity, was like a parody of a North Korean state sanctioned funeral. In the documentary he goes into detail about how critical views were shut down and shunned, business owners and shops were harassed and attacked by their followers if they didn't shut down or failed to show proper respect.... despite the majority of people in the country not caring about any of it. I knew Marilyn Manson was a bad person before Wood's testimony because he's appeared in the news a few times for bad behaviour and allegations of grooming and sexual assault. I then also realised that a lot of his work directly references this and glorifies to his fans, possibly normalising it. Wood's talks about him making threats of using gangs to kill her, her friends and family which is something echoed by other people commenting on him. I just want to make one thing clear though; I'm not equating how I would react to meeting a bad person in real life to a public figure / celebrity. 'Marilyn Manson is a bad guy' is a massive understatement in the same sense that 'R Kelly is a bad guy' is one too. It's not a case of I wouldn't want to get a drink in the pub with them because they're an asshole and I don't think I'd get along, it's a case of them being people that deserve to be locked up.
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Created	Wed 23rd Sep 2020 1:38am
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> I don't think supporting someone's art is the same as supporting everything they do.

I get what you're saying. GG Allin was a punk rock star who wanted to legalise rape and murder, but some people wanted to see the spectacle of it. However, whether you support those positions or not it's pretty difficult to decouple the financial and social support an artist obtains from an audience or any cult of personality / parasocial relationship that people in the public eye have.

R Kelly was known for years to do obscene things behind closed doors, or his [creepy concert in Ethiopia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVthudlQagk) where he was known to be actively recruiting for his underage harem of girls. These allegations were exceptionally hard to prove, the thing that got R Kelly in the end was a technicality that turned the case against him into a RICO case like out of Better Call Saul where he was flying the girls across states and thus fell under racketeering giving damage multipliers to his conviction compared to the slap on the wrist he might have got if he had kept them in a single state. The legions of fans that actively support him today and supported him during the years leading up to it when this information was coming to light were participating.

I'm going to go off on a wild tangent here, but one of the documentaries I watched a long time ago that really demonstrated the power of celebrities and cults of personality was 'The Mourning After' by Hitchens on the funeral of Princess Diana that showed how the UK, for a brief month of temporary insanity, was like a parody of a North Korean state sanctioned funeral. In the documentary he goes into detail about how critical views were shut down and shunned, business owners and shops were harassed and attacked by their followers if they didn't shut down or failed to show proper respect.... despite the majority of people in the country not caring about any of it.

I knew Marilyn Manson was a bad person before Wood's testimony because he's appeared in the news a few times for bad behaviour and allegations of grooming and sexual assault. I then also realised that a lot of his work directly references this and glorifies to his fans, possibly normalising it. Wood's talks about him making threats of using gangs to kill her, her friends and family which is something echoed by other people commenting on him.

I just want to make one thing clear though; I'm not equating how I would react to meeting a bad person in real life to a public figure / celebrity. 'Marilyn Manson is a bad guy' is a massive understatement in the same sense that 'R Kelly is a bad guy' is one too. It's not a case of I wouldn't want to get a drink in the pub with them because they're an asshole and I don't think I'd get along, it's a case of them being people that deserve to be locked up.