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Author	meepmeep13
Comment	> I can think Brian Souter is a cunt while still thinking the SNP are the best chance of independence. There you are - you've accepted the negative connotations of a body that you support, and have consciously balanced that with the positive aspects you perceive come from that support. It's a reasoned position I can respect. Yet you aren't able to do the same for your football team. You're telling yourself it's just a small fringe of supporters who happen to associate with your team and that's not it's identity. Rangers and Celtic are irrevocably entangled with the sectarian divide. They were born within it, you cannot isolate them from it, and both clubs only take the absolute minimum of actions required to deal with it - because it's a fundamental part of who they are. I think you know this. > Do you think as a five year old when you pick your team you have any perception that people are going to project all sorts of shit onto you No, but I expect that as you become a politically-aware adult you grow to understand the politics and issues that surround those teams and that you make a conscious decision - as many do - whether to continue your support, recognising that in the case of Rangers and Celtic it is not only a decision about football. You do not have to support this team and nobody is forcing you to do so, so again I expect you to accept that supporting a sectarian team as an informed adult means you are either supporting, or at best choosing to minimise, sectarianism. If you don't feel you can change your allegance from what you grew up with, then maybe ask yourself why? Is it perhaps an internalisation of something more than football? Isn't supporting the team your father/grandfather etc supported and feeling unable to dissociate your identify from that, literally the definition of the sectarian tribalism that is the problem here?
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Created	Tue 9th Mar 2021 5:32pm
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> I can think Brian Souter is a cunt while still thinking the SNP are the best chance of independence.

There you are - you've accepted the negative connotations of a body that you support, and have consciously balanced that with the positive aspects you perceive come from that support. It's a reasoned position I can respect.

Yet you aren't able to do the same for your football team. You're telling yourself it's just a small fringe of supporters who happen to associate with your team and that's not it's identity.

Rangers and Celtic are irrevocably entangled with the sectarian divide. They were born within it, you cannot isolate them from it, and both clubs only take the absolute minimum of actions required to deal with it - because it's a fundamental part of who they are.

I think you know this.

> Do you think as a five year old when you pick your team you have any perception that people are going to project all sorts of shit onto you

No, but I expect that as you become a politically-aware adult you grow to understand the politics and issues that surround those teams and that you make a conscious decision - as many do - whether to continue your support, recognising that in the case of Rangers and Celtic it is not only a decision about football. You do not have to support this team and nobody is forcing you to do so, so again I expect you to accept that supporting a sectarian team as an informed adult means you are either supporting, or at best choosing to minimise, sectarianism.

If you don't feel you can change your allegance from what you grew up with, then maybe ask yourself why? Is it perhaps an internalisation of something more than football? Isn't supporting the team your father/grandfather etc supported and feeling unable to dissociate your identify from that, literally the definition of the sectarian tribalism that is the problem here?