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Sorry, fucking what? It's "derailment" for me to ask that we don't put a disproportionate level of focus onto a tiny minority of people who harass women? Men have some fucking cheek to say women are derailing the conversation about our safety hahaha. Fucking hell mate. Think about what you're saying here.

Maybe context is hard for you, but I was NOT saying we should criminalise all white men. I was pointing out that, as you have JUST demonstrated, it is fucking absurd to pretend that a vague profile like "white working class Scottish man" or indeed "young Asian immigrant" is at all helpful in combating this. People were talking about profiling them and running informational campaigns telling "potential victims" to avoid them. Do you not see the hypocrisy in you suggesting that my (deliberately absurd) suggestion is absurd, while tacitly suggesting the same thing when it isn't white Scottish guys is not absurd?

>Nobody here thinks white guys are perfect

Have a read through the entire thread. I've had a number of arguments with people who have said that every time they've seen it happening, it's been Asian guys. And when women have said "it's not just Asian guys", they've argued back. Like you're doing right now.

>although I’ve no idea why you make it a class issue? Snobbery much?

So here you go struggling with context. I said working class because the guy I responded to said the following things:

>We can safely profile these men and stop them. **If the men were white working class** you would do the same. You now have a profile of the type of men we're looking for. Don't play dumb.

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>When you profile it's not just skin color it's age, areas where the attacks are frequently taking place the **social; economic backgrounds** of these men.

Emphasis mine. Feel free to read the entire thread before you latch onto a single part of what I said (again, the *deliberately absurd* thing I said).

>The point is there is an education that needs to take place that’s already happened for most shithead white guys who just don’t listen. The guy in question most likely hasn’t had such an education being in a completely alien country and culture so that’s what we should be aiming to do.

Considering our culture rewards misogyny, denigrates women, etc. we have some fucking cheek to think that teaching them our culture, which is permeated by the "lad culture" that's often behind the sexual harassment and assault I've experienced at the hands of young white guys, will somehow solve things. Focusing on educating a minority of the population while the majority cuts about acting like an arsehole is a waste of effort. It is hyper focusing on a small aspect of the problem, lumping resources and time into something that, ultimately, will not materially impact the wider problem of sexual harassment and assault.

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>Not ignoring it for woke points cos some bam gave you grief whenever ago.

Oh okay, I don't get to talk about the demographics of who is actually causing me and other women harm, but you get to ignore the fact that "some bams" are routinely sexually harassing women because you'd rather focus on educating a minority of people that you've disproportionately assigned blame for sexual assault and harassment to? Nice. I'd also like to point out that the people who are committing sexual harassment and assault against women are actually mostly not "bams". They've been men in nice suits, they've been pretty average looking guys on a night out with "the lads", they've been metalheads, they have indeed sometimes been bams, but they've been across the entire spectrum of subcultures that exist in Scotland. Because that's the thing - it is not and never has been just ONE culture or subculture. It's a wider problem with how a subset of men view women, it's a problem with "lad culture" and a culture that rewards men for their sexual "prowess" and denigrates women for ours. It's a culture that tells women we should take cat calling as a compliment, and tells men that persistence is a virtue (see: tv shows, films, etc that position it as romantic to persist).

But it is ever so helpful for women, when do-good men like yourself are telling us we're derailing the conversation ABOUT THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN TO US because we have the audacity to actually tell you *what* is happening to us and *who* is doing it and then you pat yourself on the back for telling us off for our "derailment". You really are a man looking out for women everywhere when you tell us to stop telling you that you are focusing on the wrong thing.
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CreatedThu 12th Aug 2021 8:08am
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