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Author	Torran_Toi
Comment	I'd say u/Alarming_Mix5302 is about spot on with Langside and Battlefield. I'd define Langside as being east of Kilmarnock Road and west of Millbrae Road, south of Langside Avenue and north of the water. Battlefield, I'd say is east of Millbrae Road and west of Holmlea Road, south of Battlefield Road and north of the water. Then, immediately north of Battlefield, and thus north of Battlefield Road, would be Mount Florida (which, confusingly, is where Langside College actually sits, although very historically the exact bit of land the college sits on is actually Clincart Hill). This whole bit of the southside is quite dense in the modern age, and all the old villages have grown and rolled into each other without a lot of definite boundaries. Basically, the lines we draw in the sand, so to speak, are only really there because as the old villages grew we sort of decided each one stops where both started to touch each other. As to your other areas... well that gets a wee bit messy because the motorway comes crashing through giving us modern physical detachments. The line between Bellahouston and Dumbreck is easiest to define as it would follow an old county boundary line. That would place Bellahouston to the west of Dumbreck Road and north of Mosspark Boulevard. However, a little spur of Bellahouston also juts out to take in the bit north of Dalkieth Avenue, so includes the likes of Beech Avenue, Urrdale Road, Rowan Road, et al. and very strictly speaking also crosses the motorway until it hits Maxwell Drive to take in Academy Park and Gower Street. The western edge of Bellahouston would originally have been in line, roughly, with the western edge of Bellahouston Park where it met a historical area known as Wearieston. However, the Bellahouston Estate gobbled Wearieston up, so the western edge of Bellahouston now sort of ends at Corkerhill Road. South of Bellahouston (and south of Mosspark Boulevard) is Mosspark. Most interesting, is the northern edge of Bellahouston. The top half of Bellahouston Park appears on old maps as Ibroxhill. However, I think in the modern age we can safely say Paisley Road West is the boundary. The lands of Dumbreck ... Again following the old county boundary, we can accurately place Dumbreck east of Dumbreck Road and south of Dalkeith Avenue. The eastern edge is tricky though. It should really be Saint Andrews Drive, but because of the motorway, people would probably kick me square in the nuts for trying to tell them that Sherbrooke Avenue and Maxwell Drive were in Dumbreck and not Pollokshields. We might just need to settle for saying the M77 is the modern boundary with Dumbreck on one side of it and Pollokshields on the other. But then again, as u/eenbiertje points out, "Pollokshields West" is a nonsense, so maybe, just maybe I can convince some of you that Pollokshields West is actually Dumbreck East. You even noticed yourself that Dumbreck Road appears to be in the wrong place. Pollokshields then would be east of Saint Andrews Drive (but, as above, some will say the motorway). The defining line between Pollokshields and Cessnock is long gone, but it would have been the old Glasgow, Paisley and Ardrossan Canal. Roughly and loosely, the canal would have ran the route of the railway line there. Again, we have a motorway making an arse of it here. So, Cessnock would be north of the rails and Pollokshields south of the rails. The western edge of Cessnock is Copland Road (don't remember how I know that, but I remember reading about that a long time ago and it just is). The eastern edge of Cessnock is defined on old maps as in line with Lorne Street with the Plantation Estate immediately east of Lorne Street. And, the same old maps very clearly show Cessnock as going right up to the Clyde, so would be what we call Pacific Quay and Festival Park today. But, again, like Langside and Battlefield, the areas here have morphed over time and have had motorways smashed through and have experience Clydesdale redevelopment, so it can be difficult pinning an exact modern boundary down there.
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Created	Thu 25th Nov 2021 3:23am
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I'd say u/Alarming_Mix5302 is about spot on with Langside and Battlefield.

I'd define Langside as being east of Kilmarnock Road and west of Millbrae Road, south of Langside Avenue and north of the water. Battlefield, I'd say is east of Millbrae Road and west of Holmlea Road, south of Battlefield Road and north of the water. Then, immediately north of Battlefield, and thus north of Battlefield Road, would be Mount Florida (which, confusingly, is where Langside College actually sits, although very historically the exact bit of land the college sits on is actually Clincart Hill).

This whole bit of the southside is quite dense in the modern age, and all the old villages have grown and rolled into each other without a lot of definite boundaries. Basically, the lines we draw in the sand, so to speak, are only really there because as the old villages grew we sort of decided each one stops where both started to touch each other.

As to your other areas... well that gets a wee bit messy because the motorway comes crashing through giving us modern physical detachments.

The line between Bellahouston and Dumbreck is easiest to define as it would follow an old county boundary line. That would place Bellahouston to the west of Dumbreck Road and north of Mosspark Boulevard. However, a little spur of Bellahouston also juts out to take in the bit north of Dalkieth Avenue, so includes the likes of Beech Avenue, Urrdale Road, Rowan Road, et al. and very strictly speaking also crosses the motorway until it hits Maxwell Drive to take in Academy Park and Gower Street. The western edge of Bellahouston would originally have been in line, roughly, with the western edge of Bellahouston Park where it met a historical area known as Wearieston. However, the Bellahouston Estate gobbled Wearieston up, so the western edge of Bellahouston now sort of ends at Corkerhill Road. South of Bellahouston (and south of Mosspark Boulevard) is Mosspark. Most interesting, is the northern edge of Bellahouston. The top half of Bellahouston Park appears on old maps as Ibroxhill. However, I think in the modern age we can safely say Paisley Road West is the boundary.

The lands of Dumbreck ... Again following the old county boundary, we can accurately place Dumbreck east of Dumbreck Road and south of Dalkeith Avenue. The eastern edge is tricky though. It should really be Saint Andrews Drive, but because of the motorway, people would probably kick me square in the nuts for trying to tell them that Sherbrooke Avenue and Maxwell Drive were in Dumbreck and not Pollokshields. We might just need to settle for saying the M77 is the modern boundary with Dumbreck on one side of it and Pollokshields on the other. But then again, as u/eenbiertje points out, "Pollokshields West" is a nonsense, so maybe, just maybe I can convince some of you that Pollokshields West is actually Dumbreck East. You even noticed yourself that Dumbreck Road appears to be in the wrong place.

Pollokshields then would be east of Saint Andrews Drive (but, as above, some will say the motorway).

The defining line between Pollokshields and Cessnock is long gone, but it would have been the old Glasgow, Paisley and Ardrossan Canal. Roughly and loosely, the canal would have ran the route of the railway line there. Again, we have a motorway making an arse of it here. So, Cessnock would be north of the rails and Pollokshields south of the rails. The western edge of Cessnock is Copland Road (don't remember how I know that, but I remember reading about that a long time ago and it just is). The eastern edge of Cessnock is defined on old maps as in line with Lorne Street with the Plantation Estate immediately east of Lorne Street. And, the same old maps very clearly show Cessnock as going right up to the Clyde, so would be what we call Pacific Quay and Festival Park today. But, again, like Langside and Battlefield, the areas here have morphed over time and have had motorways smashed through and have experience Clydesdale redevelopment, so it can be difficult pinning an exact modern boundary down there.