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Comment	>Point being that logic reads as everyone else has had a pay cut. So train drivers should also take a pay cut? Is that the logic? > My argument and it’s my opinion - is that other areas should be seeing rises from the public purse way before a train driver. I think other roles are underpaid, worse conditions, etc. And how does train drivers taking a 'real' pay cut help with that? > The argument might be that everyone should get a rise. But if we are honest & realistic - that won’t happen. It’ll be first come first served or who has most power. Do you know where power comes from? Often, unionising. If train drivers get what they're asking for, don't you think that will prove to people the benefit of striking or other industrial action? > I think what has been speculated is - if a pay rise was to occur across the board - the result will be that way inflation will rise as a result and we will be back to square one. If you have an extremely basic understanding of how inflation works. This has been speculated by people who only kinda know how inflation comes about, but not much about how an economy as a whole functions. People do not go out and buy more basics when they get a pay rise. Nobody's buying 20 litres of milk because they're feeling flush. But they sure as shit buy fewer basics when they're having to choose which necessity they'll spend their limited funds on. Giving people a pay rise will allow them to continue to be able to actually buy the things they need, because few people are out buying significant amounts of shit they don't need right now. To say "oh if we give people a pay rise, inflation will happen!" is short-sighted. Because not giving people a pay rise means people will starve. And when winter comes, they will freeze in their homes. > The logical and what I believe the likely outcome will be that some will get and some won’t. Creating or resulting in a rise - but not as steep. So those that don’t get will likely remain worse off. Yeah, no shit it's unlikely everyone gets a pay rise. This is capitalism, isn't it? > Collectively maybe we should look to advocate for those worst off first. So, please explain to me why you think ScotRail drivers choosing not to advocate for themselves will help the worst off?
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Created	Fri 27th May 2022 11:59am
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>Point being that logic reads as everyone else has had a pay cut.

So train drivers should also take a pay cut? Is that the logic?

> My argument and it’s my opinion - is that other areas should be seeing rises from the public purse way before a train driver. I think other roles are underpaid, worse conditions, etc.

And how does train drivers taking a 'real' pay cut help with that?

> The argument might be that everyone should get a rise. But if we are honest & realistic - that won’t happen. It’ll be first come first served or who has most power.

Do you know where power comes from? Often, unionising. If train drivers get what they're asking for, don't you think that will prove to people the benefit of striking or other industrial action?

> I think what has been speculated is - if a pay rise was to occur across the board - the result will be that way inflation will rise as a result and we will be back to square one.

If you have an extremely basic understanding of how inflation works. This has been speculated by people who only kinda know how inflation comes about, but not much about how an economy as a whole functions.

People do not go out and buy more basics when they get a pay rise. Nobody's buying 20 litres of milk because they're feeling flush. But they sure as shit buy fewer basics when they're having to choose which necessity they'll spend their limited funds on. Giving people a pay rise will allow them to continue to be able to actually buy the things they need, because few people are out buying significant amounts of shit they don't need right now. To say "oh if we give people a pay rise, inflation will happen!" is short-sighted. Because not giving people a pay rise means people will starve. And when winter comes, they will freeze in their homes.

> The logical and what I believe the likely outcome will be that some will get and some won’t. Creating or resulting in a rise - but not as steep. So those that don’t get will likely remain worse off.

Yeah, no shit it's unlikely everyone gets a pay rise. This is capitalism, isn't it?

> Collectively maybe we should look to advocate for those worst off first.

So, please explain to me why you think ScotRail drivers choosing not to advocate for themselves will help the worst off?