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Author	artfuldodger1212
Comment	> I would say based on the people around me, it was fuckin chaos in suburban sprawl of Glasgow from the mid 80’s through to 2005 at the very least? It was a lot worse than it is now for sure but there is a habit among some people of WAY overstating just how bad Glasgow was and a lot of this is exaggeration, people get really carried away. On this very subreddit I once had several people try and tell me that one year in the early 2000s Glasgow had more murders than all of the United States. This is absolutely insane and completely untrue, they had misunderstood the stats. That would have meant there would be 30+ murders a day in Glasgow, the army would have been called in at that point as that would be failed state levels of violence, most infrastructure and services would grind to a halt, as a citizen of Glasgow you absolutely would have personally witnessed multiple murders a year just living your life. Of course this stat was nonsense, what they meant was the murder rate per 100K citizens was higher than the American average. For comparison Glasgow at it's worst year in the mid 90s had a homicide rate of about 60 per 100K citizen. Unacceptably high and there have been enormous improvements since than but to keep it in perspective the rate of homicide per 100K in Washington DC that year was 440 per 100K. So yes Glasgow was in an unacceptable state and can be very proud of how far it has come but people also cling to an almost romanticised version of a violent Glasgow that has never really been accurate.
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Created	Tue 3rd Oct 2023 11:59am
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> I would say based on the people around me, it was fuckin chaos in suburban sprawl of Glasgow from the mid 80’s through to 2005 at the very least?

It was a lot worse than it is now for sure but there is a habit among some people of WAY overstating just how bad Glasgow was and a lot of this is exaggeration, people get really carried away. On this very subreddit I once had several people try and tell me that one year in the early 2000s Glasgow had more murders than all of the United States. This is absolutely insane and completely untrue, they had misunderstood the stats. That would have meant there would be 30+ murders a day in Glasgow, the army would have been called in at that point as that would be failed state levels of violence, most infrastructure and services would grind to a halt, as a citizen of Glasgow you absolutely would have personally witnessed multiple murders a year just living your life. Of course this stat was nonsense, what they meant was the murder rate per 100K citizens was higher than the American average.

For comparison Glasgow at it's worst year in the mid 90s had a homicide rate of about 60 per 100K citizen. Unacceptably high and there have been enormous improvements since than but to keep it in perspective the rate of homicide per 100K in Washington DC that year was 440 per 100K. So yes Glasgow was in an unacceptable state and can be very proud of how far it has come but people also cling to an almost romanticised version of a violent Glasgow that has never really been accurate.