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Author	rexuspatheticus
Comment	I used to be full on pro Palestine, but I've seen a definite shift in how this issue is being depicted in online spaces - not this demo though mind, and it really put it all in perspective for me. Even though I believe in peace for the region, I refuse to march for a ceasefire when I can not see it having the slightest positive impact. Ever since even before 1948 the Jews in Israel have felt surrounded by enemies and in fear, this has led to a bit of an abhorrent attitude from many leaders and other groups, but that doesn't make all Isrealis, fervent zionists or islamaphobes. I fully believe Jewish people deserve to live there, and it would be ignorant to think a large portion of Muslims feel the same. Neither the West nor the Muslim world seem to want or be able to make fundamental changes to the ruling parties in Palestine. Abbas is said to be richer than Netanyahu, and yet we hear of the terrible conditions in Gaza and the West Bank, Amnesty sees both Fatah and Hamas as oppressive regimes, so the Palestinian people aren't even free when not under Isreali attack. So let's have a ceasefire to only have dissidents disappear and homosexuals beating in jails. Neither side is willing to accept a 2 state agreement. too much blood has been spilt, and far too much greed and violence from both sides. What is the point of a ceasefire? Hamas will just arm up for this again, and no one will make headway on any decision. The situation is just beyond fucked, I can't see a way out and I am on no ones side apart from the innocent s, both Palestinian and Israeli who suffer because of all of this.
Reddit Link	https://www.reddit.com/r/glasgow/comments/17sy3be/some_pics_from_the_palestine_demo_today/k8uv8d4/
Created	Sat 11th Nov 2023 11:27pm
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I used to be full on pro Palestine, but I've seen a definite shift in how this issue is being depicted in online spaces - not this demo though mind, and it really put it all in perspective for me.

Even though I believe in peace for the region, I refuse to march for a ceasefire when I can not see it having the slightest positive impact.

Ever since even before 1948 the Jews in Israel have felt surrounded by enemies and in fear, this has led to a bit of an abhorrent attitude from many leaders and other groups, but that doesn't make all Isrealis, fervent zionists or islamaphobes. I fully believe Jewish people deserve to live there, and it would be ignorant to think a large portion of Muslims feel the same.

Neither the West nor the Muslim world seem to want or be able to make fundamental changes to the ruling parties in Palestine. Abbas is said to be richer than Netanyahu, and yet we hear of the terrible conditions in Gaza and the West Bank, Amnesty sees both Fatah and Hamas as oppressive regimes, so the Palestinian people aren't even free when not under Isreali attack. So let's have a ceasefire to only have dissidents disappear and homosexuals beating in jails.

Neither side is willing to accept a 2 state agreement. too much blood has been spilt, and far too much greed and violence from both sides.

What is the point of a ceasefire? Hamas will just arm up for this again, and no one will make headway on any decision.

The situation is just beyond fucked, I can't see a way out and I am on no ones side apart from the innocent s, both Palestinian and Israeli who suffer because of all of this.