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  • You're presuming that u/Away_District feels some shame about his or her or zer respective gimpiness. I for one wear mine proudly and loudly. Literally, all that latex makes quite a racket. by blunt_smasher_69000 (Thu 11th Jun 2020 3:28pm)
  • Eugh. That guy gives me the boak "*At an appropriate time in the future, we hope to have an event/parade in Glasgow for all of Scotland’s loyal orders, where we can all come together and show our support to the UK Government for everything they have done for us during this terrible time.*" Done for us? Done to us would be more accurate. by blunt_smasher_69000 (Thu 11th Jun 2020 3:57pm)
  • You'll be fine. If the police stop you just tell them you're testing your eyesight. Best kidnap a toddler to be doubly sure. In all seriousness you'll be safe from the law, just use your common sense and you'll be fine. Drive safe and welcome home! by blunt_smasher_69000 (Thu 11th Jun 2020 4:28pm)
  • DELETED Any evidence for that? In my experience the police are very neutral and respected the world over. by blunt_smasher_69000 (Mon 15th Jun 2020 12:57pm)
  • DELETED Please don't bring football into this, I know you're trying to be helpful but it risks turning this into one of those threads. by blunt_smasher_69000 (Mon 15th Jun 2020 1:01pm)
  • They're Police Scotland right? They've had some praise before on [issues that are related to institutional racism](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39042465). From my own experience on one of the city's community councils the police are actively 'policing by consent' and are always respectful to everyone in our diverse neighbourhood. by blunt_smasher_69000 (Mon 15th Jun 2020 1:18pm)
  • Ah right, that would be an absurd position to defend! He mentioned polis, but I don't really use that sort of slang in my writing so switched it back to police. by blunt_smasher_69000 (Mon 15th Jun 2020 1:24pm)
  • DELETED Mentioning affiliations are fine, but in this city any mention of the Old Firm comes off as insulting all supporters of the Old Firm, as opposed to the fringe lunatics that are present on both sides. Your comment was designed to bring this into the discussion because you knew mentioning Rangers would get you automatic upvotes, at the expense of our police force who are far and away better than the vast majority of police forces on this planet. by blunt_smasher_69000 (Mon 15th Jun 2020 1:21pm)
  • DELETED Woah there mate, let's maybe take a step back. I think we got off on the wrong foot. We're certainly talking past each other it seems. My original goal was to caution against turning this into the very same green versus blue fight that we see all the time. I was tactfully trying to avoid criticising you for asserting that the police are little better than the fringe lunatic element on the blue half of our divide. In my view this is unsubstantiated and a little absurd. Judging by own research on and experiences with the police in this city are excellent at their job, and have a lot of experience of handling this type of crowd. Now, to OP's specific incident. I shouldn't have to say that I agree that being threatened with arrest for being assulted and racially abused is a bad thing. That happened here and it is disgusting. That is not how policing should work. However, the actions of the police in this single incident does not provide sufficient evidence to characterise the police force as mostly loyalist thugs. In my opinion that is part of the tribalist problem we have in this city. Apologies for not making myself clearer earlier. by blunt_smasher_69000 (Mon 15th Jun 2020 1:38pm)
  • With respect, I think you're looking for the weakest link out of everything I am trying to explain to you and running with it because you know I'm right. The police in Scotland are not mostly loyalist brutes. Your suggesting that is absurd. by blunt_smasher_69000 (Mon 15th Jun 2020 2:02pm)
  • That is a very good point, although it doesn't quite relate to the point I'm trying to make. I was responding very specifically to this: *"I wouldn't expect the police to be doing much about this kind of behaviour, as most of them exhibit same behaviour during the football season for a specific club in Glasgow. If you need a large reference to this look at the Manchester final a while back."* This sentence implies that a) the police force exhibit the same behaviour as fans of a certain football club then b) ties that behaviour to the shame of Manchester and c) since it was Rangers fans in Manchester we can only assume that u/partofthehumanrace genuinely thinks that our police are thugs because they are Rangers fans. I didn't want to get too far into a response, so I thought a polite request to not bring football into an issue that relates to institutional racism might be helpful. It doesn't matter what football team these thugs support, what matters is their values and principles. Which is unfortunate, because I strongly agree with what you're saying and think that the police could and should have handled the situation better. They may have gone into it with the wrong perspective and that perspective may have hampered their efforts to keep people safe. by blunt_smasher_69000 (Mon 15th Jun 2020 2:11pm)
  • Which one? by blunt_smasher_69000 (Mon 15th Jun 2020 2:57pm)
  • That's awful for Tommy, he should be able to cover whatever events he wants safely. The 'statue defenders' need to take a long hard look at themselves. They need to be around people not like them to understand that no one is attacking them personally. They are attacking racism and perceived symbols of racism. I think the police could have done better, but it sounds like Tommy isn't quite aware of this town's appalling history. u/meepmeep13 made a good point that I hadn't considered; the police may have gone into this with the perspective that this operation is the same as the normal crowd control operations in the city ie getting football fans from a) to b). That approach might not have been the best for this situation. As a member of a community council I talk to the police frequently and once they explain their actions it actually makes a lot of sense. I would plead with Tommy to talk to the police about this because I'm sure they will want to learn some lessons as well. I guess at the end of the day the police's job isn't to be nice or respectful even. It's to keep people from coming to harm. I do hope that CCTV is being used to examine incidents and press charges after the fact. Even though it's important to deal with problems on the day I don't see anything wrong with using a fair bit of resources identifying places where justice must be served. For who are we as a city and a country if we do not do everything we can to shine a light on evil deeds and bring those responsible to justice, no matter how long ago it was? by blunt_smasher_69000 (Mon 15th Jun 2020 3:06pm)
  • If they're not waking me up at eight o clock in the bastarding morning during July then it will never be 'realistic'. by blunt_smasher_69000 (Mon 15th Jun 2020 3:28pm)
  • "most of them exhibit same behaviour during the football season for a specific club in Glasgow." Are you saying that most of Police Scotland are violent Rangers supporting thugs? by blunt_smasher_69000 (Mon 15th Jun 2020 3:53pm)
  • Rangers fans don't support the Orange Order. They are infiltrators. It'd be like if we called all Celtic fans paedophiles. It's ridiculous and divides us all. by blunt_smasher_69000 (Tue 16th Jun 2020 10:57am)
  • Let's just agree to disagree because I don't think we're going to listen to each other. by blunt_smasher_69000 (Tue 16th Jun 2020 1:34pm)
  • Let's agree to disagree, I don't think we're ever going to be able to discuss this issue from a shared perspective. I understand every single point you make. I do. And I respect the position you're coming from. by blunt_smasher_69000 (Tue 16th Jun 2020 1:36pm)
  • This is what I've tried to get at with other people. In this very thread there are Rangers fans who are willing to take a critical eye to their club. There is very clearly a sectarian element who have been able to co-opt the club. Times are changing though, since sectarianism is far less supported now than in decades past. But I'm frustrated because the rest of Scotland is either unaware of this ongoing conversation within the club or unwilling to consider that we might not secretly love the Orange Order and are all closet right wing racists. Contrast this with our neighbours. Should we tar them all because a few [hang effigies with little consequence](https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/celtic-fan-cleared-hanging-rangers-20057928) or [fly IRA banners](https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/celtic-face-ira-banner-fine-1444684)? Of course not. But have you ever seen one of them disavow their club over the fifty years of covering up a paedophile ring, harming dozens of children and ruining lives? Should their fanbase stand up for that principal and risk the wrath of knuckle draggers? That's a genuine question. I'm not trying to make a direct point about Celtic, their fans or history. That's for them to worry about (though as a survivor of child abuse I do have a lot to say on the matter). The point I want to focus on is that there is an ongoing attempt by people like us to rescue Rangers, whilst the rest of the country would prefer to ignore this in favour of low effort insults. by blunt_smasher_69000 (Tue 16th Jun 2020 3:26pm)
  • That's the best reply I've seen to my position on the issue. To clarify, I was trying to make the point that it seems mad to me that Rangers are Scotland's pariah despite clear evidence that fans are trying to bring the club into the 21st century. All whilst the club that we know has protected a paedophile ring for going on fifty years is still perceived as a 'club like no other'. I'm sure you can appreciate that, based on my past experience of childhood sexual assault, I see situation as insane, which is leading me to angrily bring that up when it is not entirely relevant. I know I'm frustrated, because I don't feel like I've ever been listened to. Whether I'm polite or direct, the result is always the same. Thinking about it very carefully I think you're right to a large extent; comparing the issues isn't entirely valid because, as you say, they don't have an entire songbook dedicated to their club's crimes. The problems are just too different to compare. I would say this: I have genuinely tried to discuss this with their fans as much as possible and as politely and objectively as possible. Not one of them has ever accepted that their club has done what the public evidence suggests they did, never mind are willing to put down the hoops until justice is done. Not on one single occassion. Only in the most private discussions has anything other than the party line been totted out - "You're just upset about 10IAR, just another bitter hun, it's all in the past, we should let the authorities deal with it etc etc". Sorry to unload all that. I really just wanted to say thank you for that response, it's given me a lot to think about. I want to continue speaking out about sexual assault and justice but I will really try to make sure I'm doing it in the correct context, lest I become the bitter Hun that I'm afraid of being typecast as. by blunt_smasher_69000 (Tue 16th Jun 2020 3:48pm)
  • This is genuinely the most intelligent conversation I've had on this. Thank you for helping me see this issue from a different perspective. I hope you have a really good rest of your day. Thanks again. by blunt_smasher_69000 (Tue 16th Jun 2020 4:07pm)
  • Would you agree that the statement, "Rangers fans support the Orange Order" is just as absurd as saying "Celtc fans support the protection of paedophiles"? by blunt_smasher_69000 (Tue 16th Jun 2020 5:53pm)